1.9.08

Wow - aghast!

I've been following blogs on Palin - potential vice-president and been fascinated by the responses from various postees at complegalitarian particularly. My attention has been brought again to th writings of Grudem and Piper.

Here's some of Piper's work: (Christian bloggers following the American campaigns are interested in what his reaction might be to Palin)

The God-given sense of responsibility for leadership in a mature man will not generally allow him to flourish long under personal, directive leadership of a female superior. J. I. Packer suggested that “a situation in which a female boss has a male secretary” puts strain on the humanity of both (see note 18). I think this would be true in other situations as well. Some of the more obvious ones would be in military combat settings if women were positioned so as to deploy and command men; or in professional baseball if a woman is made the umpire to call balls and strikes and frequently to settle heated disputes among men. And I would stress that this is not necessarily owing to male egotism, but to a natural and good penchant given by God. Conversely, if a woman’s relation to man is very personal, then the way she offers guidance will need to be non-directive. The clearest example here is the marriage relationship. The Apostle Peter speaks of a good wife’s meek and tranquil spirit that can be very winsome to her husband (1 Peter 3:4). A wife who “comes on strong” with her advice will probably drive a husband into passive silence, or into active anger. It is not nonsense to say that a woman who believes she should guide a man into new behavior should do that in a way that signals her support of his leadership. This is precisely what the Apostle Peter commends in l Peter 3:lff. Similarly in the workplace it may not be nonsense in any given circumstance for a woman to provide a certain kind of direction for a man, but to do it in such a way that she signals her endorsement of his unique duty as a man to feel a responsibility of strength and protection and leadership toward her as a woman and toward women in general.

Excuse me while I go an sit down, my own 'humanity' feeling somewhat 'strained'!

2 comments:

Mike said...

Can you give a citation for this quote? And are you aware of a list of approved roles for women by Piper and Grudem which may appear in their book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. I'd be interested in seeing that.

Rachel said...

Hi Mike
Yes - it's from 'A Vision of Biblical Complementarity by John Piper, see http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cbmw/rbmw/chapter1.html

As to the roles he considers appropriate for a man and a woman, here's the list:
Ministries to the handicapped (handicapped being his descriptor, not mine!)
Minstries to the sick
Nursing
Physician
Hospice care-cancer, AIDS, etc.
Community health
Ministries to the socially estranged
Emotionally impaired
Recovering alcoholics
Recovering drug-users
Escaping prostitutes
Abused children, women (not men, of course!)
Runaways, problem children
Orphans
Prison ministries
Women's prisons (but only to women!)(In Hosseni's novel the Taliban sets up women only hospitals but guess which hospitals get the supplies of all necessary drugs)
Families of prisoners
Rehabilitation to society
Ministries to youth
Teaching
Sponsoring
Open houses and recreation
Outings and trips
Counseling
Academic assistance
Sports ministries
Neighborhood teams
Church teams
Therapeutic counseling
Independent
Church-based
Institutional
Audiovisual ministries
Composition
Design
Production
Distribution
Writing ministries
Free-lance
Curriculum development
Fiction
Non-fiction
Editing
Institutional communications
Journalistic skills for publications
Teaching ministries
Sunday school: children, youth, students, women (not men!) (See sacking of female professor in US in earlier post)
Grade school
High school
College
Music ministries
Composition
Training
Performance
Voice
Choir
Instrumentalist
Evangelistic ministries
Personal witnessing
Parachurch groups
Home Bible studies
Outreach to children
Visitation teams
Counseling at meetings
Telephone counseling
Radio and television ministries
Technical assistance
Writing
Announcing
Producing
Theater and drama ministries
Acting
Directing
Writing
Scheduling
Social ministries
Literacy
Pro-life
Pro-decency
Housing
Safety
Beautification
Drug rehabilitation
Pastoral care assistance
Visitation
Newcomer welcoming and assistance
Hospitality
Food and clothing and transportation
Prayer ministries
Praying
Mobilizing for prayer events
Helping with small groups of prayer
Coordinating prayer chains
Promoting prayer days and weeks and vigils
Missions
All of the above across cultures
Support ministries
Countless secular jobs that undergird other ministries
The awesome significance of motherhood
Making a home as a full-time wife

Beautification makes me chuckle a bit. And I'm so pleased this isn't a God-given only a Piper-given prescription. I've been a teacher, a full-time housewife and mother and I am now a voluntary Youth worker so I guess Piper would be fairly pleased with me but I'm afraid, much to his probable displeasure I have future plans...

Thanks for your interest in this post
Rachel

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