tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post939859821983511052..comments2023-08-10T09:38:07.159+01:00Comments on Revising Reform: Are these definitions about right?Rev R Marszalekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-34001075912608561892009-05-01T11:02:00.000+01:002009-05-01T11:02:00.000+01:00I think Dave and I might both fail to understand h...I think Dave and I might both fail to understand how practical outworkings of the Biblical idea transmogrify into role prescriptions for men and women. (I'm thinking here particularly about the roles defined by Piper and Grudem). The one we find it difficult to see scriptural warrant for is the one where women are forbidden in some churches from preaching to mixed congregations. <br /><br />Sorry Dave, I might be saying too much on your behalf here and speak really from my own point of view. :)Rev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-19660498192166901082009-05-01T10:57:00.000+01:002009-05-01T10:57:00.000+01:00Dave, I think you’re right to say you see nothing ...Dave, I think you’re right to say you see nothing ‘equal’ about a hierarchical situation, and there’s no doubt the church is a hierarchy .. God is in charge.<br /><br />Biblically, God being God .. well there’s no question, we’d be fools not to submit. Of course we do refuse .. what fools we are! But there’s no question about who has the power and authority is there?<br /><br />Humanly speaking in an hierarchical situation, well your boss has the power to sack you. Your parents have the power to punish you .. so submission could be said to be wise. That means you submit because you know that the boss/parent enforces his will. You ‘submit’ because you have to.<br /><br />That’s not biblical submission as I understand it.<br /><br />If something is greater than you .. above you .. has power over you .. then it’s not a question of submitting. You choose to submit because it’s completely wise and logical.<br /><br />If something or someone is "equal" to you .. only then can one choose to submit in freedom. In fact that’s what freedom IS .. the ability to choose to submit to an equal. That’s when you find the absolute beauty, the liberation of choosing to submit .. to obey.<br /><br />So the logical conclusion is .. equality is a given .. and absolutely obvious. <br /><br />Rosemary BehanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-530619963445635442009-04-28T22:30:00.000+01:002009-04-28T22:30:00.000+01:00I really struggle with that too - I keep trying to...I really struggle with that too - I keep trying to understand it but it just doesn't feel right, even if I can try to rationalise it, there is something much deeper going on in me which struggles to really believe that essential equality is really there, if it isn't also there in practice (role). <br /><br />Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />:)Rev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-32728204381629273432009-04-28T22:20:00.000+01:002009-04-28T22:20:00.000+01:00"Complementarianism: Belief in essential equality,...<I>"Complementarianism: Belief in essential equality,"</I>As an egalitarian I don't accept this claim by to believe in "essential equality". I don't see anything equal in a hierarchical system.DaveWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14822407495120319380noreply@blogger.com