tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post7151338739673983605..comments2023-08-10T09:38:07.159+01:00Comments on Revising Reform: Quod semper, quod ubique quod ab omnibus.Rev R Marszalekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-9583666836769817122010-04-14T20:53:18.245+01:002010-04-14T20:53:18.245+01:00Perhaps. But Hooker would be more than sharp enoug...Perhaps. But Hooker would be more than sharp enough in his mind to recognise that attempting to justify women presbyters and episcopoi today on the basis that they once existed, though hidden from us as we read the New Testament, is forlorn. Justifying women presbyters and episcopoi today works from (what I call) significant involvement of women in leadership of the earliest church, but involves theological reflection on the implications of men and women being one in Christ rather than fruitless searches for the non-existent.Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-72999046626931407092010-04-14T20:15:52.339+01:002010-04-14T20:15:52.339+01:00Thanks again Peter, wondering now if this can be u...Thanks again Peter, wondering now if this can be used to reinforce your point:<br />"True it is, the ancienter the better ceremonies of<br />religion are; howbeit not absolutely true and without exception; but true only so far forth as those different ages do agree on the state of those things for which at the first those rules, orders, and ceremonies, were instituted." Preface, IV, 4.Rev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-24747204996516052132010-04-14T20:04:41.793+01:002010-04-14T20:04:41.793+01:00Neat point - thank you Peter. I think I am beginni...Neat point - thank you Peter. I think I am beginning to rather enjoy this.Rev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-61461765837440914582010-04-14T19:30:18.946+01:002010-04-14T19:30:18.946+01:00A lot turns on the word 'unnecessarily'. W...A lot turns on the word 'unnecessarily'. Would Richard Hooker/his arguments, played out in the world of England in the 21st century view expansion of the priesthood and episcopacy as 'necessary' or 'unnecessary'? Something also turns, I suggest, on Hooker's vision for the CofE being a church for the whole of England. Hooker was a man of Scripture and would see, as we see, that there is significant involvement of women in the leadership of the NT church. Then he was a servant of a mistress ruler of the church, Elizabeth as Governor!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-74458464332886867802010-04-14T17:54:46.696+01:002010-04-14T17:54:46.696+01:00Yes thank you, worked out this afternoon that rath...Yes thank you, worked out this afternoon that rather than downloading Pdfs which are then deemed unsearchable, it is best to use the advanced search option live online to find the quotations to which the critics are alluding. <br /><br />Dear me, the research alone takes forever, never mind the writing of the reply to the question set. I reckon you need 5 yrs for Hooker's Ecclesiastical Lawes, not 5 weeks Ahhhhh!! College gave us one 1 hr lecture! Great!!<br /><br />Thanks Thomas<br />God blessRev R Marszalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831340057673771787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343277549128598933.post-22379950851512283172010-04-14T16:40:02.165+01:002010-04-14T16:40:02.165+01:00Do you know the Online Library of Liberty? See htt...Do you know the Online Library of Liberty? See http://goo.gl/3XQIThomas Renznoreply@blogger.com